{The List-} Cheats

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Master Zen


I did and you are still not answering my question: Give me one good reason why a cheat in MP should be included when all the game-balancing issues that you mention are and SHOULD be done instead from the start when editing a scenario? Again, give me ONE good reason why you would feel compelled to cheat to edit a MP game mid-way?

Or if someone just has an incredibly unfair and sucky starting position.

[MattH]

Bump-bump!
The deadline is approaching so I've updated the list. I'll create a poll later to finalize the opinions.

[Kuciwalker]

The MP map generator is designed to create fair starting positions.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The MP map generator is designed to create fair starting positions.

You know there is no guarantee.

[Kuciwalker]

If it's that bad, restart.

[DarkCloud]

Thanks for the summary Matt

[MattH]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
Thanks for the summary Matt

I'll have it in the accepted format by the deadline.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Sore Loser
I'm not sure if this belongs here, but I'd like to see an Ironman mode as in SMAC where you're not "allowed" to reload.

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The same line of thought can be applied to the discussion about the cheat menu. I'd like the option to turn the cheat menu off when setting up a game, so I won't feel the temptation to sneek peek at the locations so I can see where to found my cities. This should please everyone and is extremely easy to implement.

This is a very good idea. Much more effective then the super-mega-deity-emperor-of-gods difficulty level. The "reload" spell is way too powerful. It would be a great idea to have a checkbox that turned the reload option off and would make the game a lot more challenging to lot of people (yes, me included. I recognize it).

[MattH]

That's a good idea... I can't believe I forgot to add that .

[DarkCloud]

probably because of the controversy...

[MattH]

Should we also include a list of all the cheat commands that we'd like?

[DarkCloud]

well, I'll admit, your summary is a bit sparse- but just a general overview of what type of cheating is necessary could be sufficient- such as new commands...

You could mention (all the cheats from Civ II and III) plus these new ones.

please list the new ideas... but you don't have to list every specific Civ II and III one if you don't want to.

-DC

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by OliverFA

This is a very good idea. Much more effective then the super-mega-deity-emperor-of-gods difficulty level. The "reload" spell is way too powerful. It would be a great idea to have a checkbox that turned the reload option off and would make the game a lot more challenging to lot of people (yes, me included. I recognize it).

So like the ironman option in SMAC....

[MattH]

List of Proposed Cheats:
- Enable / Disable
- Switch between game / cheat mode (see Appearance of the Cheat Menu below)
- Open / Close / Save scen.
- Place:
--- Start loc.
--- Terrain
--- City
--- Unit
--- Improvement
--- Goody Hut
--- Barbarian camp
--- Resource / etc.
--- Location based trigger
- Edit:
--- Start gold
--- Current gold
--- Start year
--- Current year
--- Attitude
--- Status of relation (war, fixed alliances, etc.)
--- Current trades
--- Triggers / Scripts
--- Object positions (units, cities, overlays, etc.)

Appearance of the Cheat Menu:
Since the majority of contributors suggest that cheats be used primarily for scenario editing, I propose that what was the "cheat menu" in previous games become an in-game editor with a layout similar to the editor in Age of Empires or RON: the menu structure is transformed into in palette containing drag-and-drop units, terrain, etc. This or its appropriate translation (to make it fit into whatever cIV user interface) would be far superior than drop down menus or consoles featured in prevous Civ/other games.

Please add your own suggestions and cheats!

[Apocalypse]

- Place:
--- Start loc.
--- Terrain
--- City
--- Improvement
--- Goody Hut
--- Barbarian camp
--- Resource / etc.
--- Location based trigger

Aren't we forgetting Unit?